It sounds like the Obama legal team of high-powered lawyers is working overtime to ensure that no records are released - no birth certificate, no passports, not even college records! Why go to such great lengths if it's "moot" as they claim? This doesn't make sense. Why would he not just release the documentation and end it? Why didn't he do that 7-8 months ago and end it before it blossomed into over a dozen lawsuits? You can read more about this latest report at WND. In addition, you can also see a list of related lawsuits here (not sure if it's a complete list or not).
Let's add it all up. Keeping birth certificate, passports, and other documentation under lock & key. Claims Obama was born in different hospitals in Hawaii. Sworn testimony of relatives that they witnessed his birth in Kenya (his father was a citizen of Kenya). Registered in school as Barry Soetoro in Indonesia where only citizens of Indonesia could attend, his adopted father was Indonesian, and Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. There are more facts too but this sure seems to me to warrant further investigation. ObamaCrimes.com is an excellent source for facts on the case.
I've read opinions from many bloggers that, like myself, doubted the merit of the lawsuits initially. That is, I doubted briefly until reading more about the evidence and finding out that Obama could have just stopped it before it ever began by simply releasing the appropriate documentation (that should be formally required of every candidate before being allowed even in a primary election).
Perhaps one day the appropriate documentation will finally be released, we'll find out there were no citizenship issues after all, and we'll look back and wish so much time and money had not been required to answer such a simple question of "natural born citizenship." Unfortunately, it appears based on this latest news that the tactics of intimidation are going to continue to be used to try to silence those simply seeking the truth. But through the persistence and patriotism of Americans, perhaps the truth will be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt and those famous words of wisdom will prove true once again: "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
Friday, February 13, 2009
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As you know, McCain posted his birth certificate from the Panama Canal Zone on line. Here it is: http://panamajohn.dominates.us/articles/McCain_Certificate_1_1936x2.jpg
ReplyDeleteIt is nice that he did this and that he had the original birth certificate to post.
But ask yourself this question: Suppose that he had lost it. Say that his parents in all those moves on Navy business, had left the paper behind, or say that it was in a ship that was torpedoed, or whatever. The result would be that McCain would not have his original birth certificate. Where would he go to get a copy? It might have been impossible because the Panama Canal Zone Authority no longer exists.
Would we say that McCain would not have been eligible to be president because he could not produce his original birth certificate?
I believe that we would have given him a pass because the question in the election and confirmation of the electoral vote of the president is not whether there is definitive proof that someone is eligible (NO ONE has that kind of proof, and I’ll get to that in a minute), but whether we are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is eligible.
But before I get to that. Obama also has posted his official birth certificate. Yes, the document that he showed on his site, and in much more detail on FactCheck.org, (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) IS the official birth certificate of Hawaii. It shows that he was born in Hawaii, and it is a legal document. In a court, unless there is actual proof that the document has been forged or that there is evidence that Obama was born somewhere else, the Hawaii Certification of Live Birth will be accepted as proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.
What about the original birth certificate? Certainly, there are original birth certificates, which some people have because they saved it from the time of their birth, but unless they have, the only birth certificate that they can get is the official birth certificate that Hawaii sends out today. THAT turns out to be only the Certification of Live Birth, which is what Obama posted.
So all the questions about why doesn’t he post the long-form birth certificate have two simple answers:
(1) The Certification of Live Birth is THE official birth certificate, it shows that he was born in Hawaii, and it is legally sufficient to prove it; and
(2) Unless he has kept the original birth certificate and not mislaid it, all that he can post is what Hawaii will send him, which is only the Certification of Live Birth, which is what he has already posted.
Now, I suspect you will ask a the logical question, how do I know that Hawaii only sends out the Certification of Live Birth and will NOT send out original birth certificates even if you ask for it? The answer is that I asked them repeatedly, and the answer has always been: “We send out only the Certification of Live Birth.” You can check, by asking your own questions by e-mail at vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov.
So it turns out that Obama and McCain have done exactly the same thing, posted an official birth certificate, and in both cases it was the only birth certificate that was available to them.
The next question I suppose you may ask is: Is there some way around the law in Hawaii so that the State of Hawaii can certify that Obama (or anyone) was born in Hawaii when she or he or Obama was born somewhere else? The answer is NO. The laws that some cite that say that Hawaii can issue Certifications of Live Birth to children of residents of Hawaii even though they were born in New Jersey or Tasmania or Kenya WERE PASSED AFTER OBAMA WAS BORN IN 1961, and even if they had been passed before, the law is clear. It does NOT allow the Certification of Live Birth to lie about the place of birth.
In other words, you can get a Hawaii certificate, but if you are born in New Jersey, the Hawaii certificate or certification will have to say: “Born in New Jersey.” There is simply no way for the law to enable parents to select the location of birth—meaning the city and island within Hawaii as well as Hawaii itself—out of thin air, use this false place as the place of birth, and put it down on a Hawaii application for a birth document, and then Hawaii would issue a Certification that says he was born in Hawaii even if she or he wasn’t.
In other words, IF there were an original birth certificate in Obama’s file that said “Born in Kenya,” the Certification of Live Birth would have to say “Born in Kenya” too, but it doesn’t. It says born in Hawaii.
Most people would take this as both legal proof (since the Certification of Live Birth is a legal document that must be accepted in court unless there is sufficient legal proof that it is wrong), sufficient proof, and even absolute proof that he was born in Hawaii.
But there are those who continue to claim that he was born in Kenya.
This turns out to be based entirely on manufactured stories of his birth. There are no physical documents showing that he was born in Kenya, but the theorists explain this by saying that the Kenya government is part of the conspiracy and that it has blocked access to those documents. They say, however, that the Obama’s paternal grandmother said on tape that she was present at his birth in Kenya. However, this also turns out to be false.
There is a tape recording in which she apparently (you cannot hear her voice) says “yes” when she is asked was she present when HE (Obama or his father?) was born. But in addition to the question what He refers to, there is the question of how the phrase “present WHEN” can be translated into an African language. It may not be the same thing as “present WHERE” he was born.
So, to be sure, the interviewer later in the tape asks the obvious question: WHERE WAS HE BORN?
And the answer, you can hear her say in reply to a question, is Hawaii, and then the translator (who is also a relative) says repeatedly, “America, Hawaii, America.” And then he says that Obama’s father was a student in America at the time, which we know.
We do not know, and there is no proof of it, that he and his bride returned to Kenya for a visit, and it is extremely unlikely as well as there being no proof of it.
To hear the full recording of the Obama grandmother interview, go to: ?” http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/independent-grandmother-transcript/ (Click on full Sarah Obama Tape.)
There are quite a few recordings and transcripts that cut the tape at the five minute mark. It is important to go to the full recording, which runs about nine minutes. You might ask yourself why anyone would want to cut the tape at five minutes when the answer to the question WHERE WAS HE BORN is after five minutes. The answer, sadly, is that they are not anxious for people to make up their own minds, they want to create zealots who believe that Obama is not eligible. Why they want to do this I cannot tell, but frankly I am frightened. Not because these people will continue to pursue this case in court, which is their right, or that they will continue to argue the case, which is also their right, but that they will do something stupid.
Do not be stupid, I pray, check all the evidence. Use your own common sense and check it out.
For example, there is a lot of discussion on Right-wing blogs that Obama “lost his citizenship” when he was in Indonesia. (This could not be true because a US citizen cannot lose their citizenship due to actions taken by his parents when he was a child.) But it is NOT TRUE for a more basic reason than that. His parents never even applied for him to get Indonesian citizenship. How do I know? I called the Indonesian Embassy in Washington and asked them. You can too. The telephone number is (202) 775 – 5200. I would suggest that you ask for the Press Officer. The answer I got, if you trust me, was NO. NO, he was never an Indonesian citizen. NO, his family never applied. NO, he never had an Indonesian passport.
Did his parents lie and say that he was an Indonesian citizen to get him into Indonesian school. Most likely.
This document seems to show that they did. http://www.hyscience.com/obama%20indonesia.jpg But does their lying on an Indonesian document give him Indonesian citizenship? (NO). Does it take away US citizenship? (No.) Does it make him ineligible to be president? (No.)
I believe I said at the beginning: NO ONE has that kind of proof. Laying aside the numerous cases where birth records are destroyed in fire and floods (virtually all those of New Orleans, for example), there is the question whether a birth record is sufficient to make someone president. If you hold, as some do (but it is wrong) that to be eligible you have to have both parents be US citizens AND be born in the USA, then the proof that someone is born in the USA is insufficient. It may then be possible to prove that someone’s mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth. But his father? Ah. Short of DNA evidence, can anyone be absolutely certain who his father was? But you can say, his father by law is sufficient for this. And I would reply, really? Why? Who says that it can be his legal father?
Virtually all constitutional scholars say that being born in the USA is sufficient to make someone a Natural Born US Citizen, that in fact the term “Natural Born Citizen” is the US equivalent of the British “Natural Born Subject,” which was well understood in the USA before the time of the Constitution, and which merely referred to people who had been born in the British realm, regardless of the number of parents who were or were not subjects at the time of the birth (with the minor exception of the children of foreign diplomats).